David Thodey the Chair of CSIRO and JobsNSW. David is probably best known for his role of Chief Executive Officer of Telstra where he lead an extraordinary transformation throughout Australia's Leading telecommunication Company. Prior to joining Telstra David was CEO for IBM across Australia and NZ. He has an honorary Doctorate in Science from Deakin University and in 2017 was recognised for his service to business and ethical business leadership with an order of Australia. In this Coffee pod David and I discuss at length what it takes to drive large scale organisational change how do you keep momentum and get motivation up, how you effectively communicate your message through your organisation and ultimately what does it take to make change stick.